EPISODE 9: Dishing on Dating
Published 12/07/23
LAURA STASSI
00:08
This is “Dating While Gray: The Grown-Up’s Guide to Love, Sex, and Relationships.” I’m Laura Stassi. And I can’t believe it, we are in the final weeks of 2023. Want to guess how many dates I’ve had this year? I’ll tell you my number, if you tell me yours On this episode, we are “Dishing on Dating.”
00:40
I don’t want to leave you hanging. So I’ll tell you upfront: So far this year, I have had zero dates. Zero! I did try, sort of. I got back online early this year for a hot minute. But I quickly decided, I don’t have time for this. There was way too much going on — with my career; my home; my family. There were so many changes. The last time I experienced this much upheaval was a decade ago, when my marriage ended.
For me, 2023 has been like starting all over again. A lot of the change has been good change. Still, even that’s stressful. I’m grateful I haven’t had to worry about anyone but myself. I’ve been able to burrow in and just deal with it all. And I feel like it won’t be long before I’ll be ready to get back out there.
VINNIE 01:36
Timing’s a big thing about …
RACHEL
Yes, I agree. I agree.
VINNIE
You know, timing is how long you been divorced, where your mind is, your job is; where you are in life.
LAURA STASSI
01:46
Those two voices belong to — let’s call them Vinnie and Rachel. They’re both in their 60s, divorced. I met them playing pickleball. Well, first I met Vinnie, and then he introduced me to Rachel. And I’m happy they agreed to dish because I think their story is unique.
RACHEL
02:05
I saw his profile on Match. And I saw him in his — picture of himself in a tux. And it just jumped out at me. So I think I said hi first to him. And I don’t know whether I referred to the tux or — I’m not sure how our conversation started. But we started chatting right away.
VINNIE 02:28
And we realized that we live literally right around the corner from each other. I can walk to her condo in less than five minutes. Plus, she said the magic word: pickleball. And I said, I love pickleball. So we said, let’s meet. Then I think we had lunch a couple times or dinner? Couple lunches?
RACHEL
Dinner.
VINNIE
I don’t even remember.
RACHEL
02:50
Gosh, it’s, this is Dating While Gray. Right? Because I’m feeling like, my memory is really bad.
VINNIE
Yeah.
RACHEL
Was it Silver Diner the first date?
VINNIE 03:02
I think so. Yeah, because we ate outside. There was COVID.
RACHEL
03:05
Yeah, that’s right. I remember now, and you didn’t wear your tux.
VINNIE
No, I did not.
RACHEL
But yeah, we were eating outside because …
VINNIE 03:13
We had — you know, we were not in the restaurant. We were under the little picnic, or whatever, that I remember the menus and everything was blowing around.
RACHEL
03:22
Yes, it was windy.
VINNIE
Yes.
RACHEL
Mm-hmm. Something happened that day, though. Didn’t somebody that you knew come up to us?
VINNIE 03:29
Probably, that happens all the time. I don’t know. Yeah. It was. It was — because we went out like three times. Maybe. I thought she was nice. I mean, you know, let’s try this again and see where it goes. I want to give everybody, give everybody a fair chance. I mean, there was no red flags that popped up or a whole bunch of them. And I said, yeah, we’ll do it again. And I think we had dinner, lunch at Jackson’s.
RACHEL
Mm-hmm.
VINNIE
So we had a good time there. And then we, you know, we connected on pickleball. One of the women that I play pickleball with — I don’t think you had met yet. She goes, you know, my husband plays in this band. It was like three guitars, and she invited us to this new place over in the town next to ours. And we went in. It was raining. But they own two restaurants there. We went to the wrong one, but we still had a good meal.
RACHEL
04:21
And so at this point, I’m remembering now, you knew that couple. But you also, when we first played pickleball together, I remember everybody knew you. And all the women wanted to come up and hug you.
VINNIE
I hate when that happens.
RACHEL
So I’m sure you were enjoying that. But it kind of was, that was – speaking of red flags. So that was a little bit of a red flag for me because I kind of am looking for a guy that is less popular with the women.
VINNIE 04:46
I’m just outgoing. I mean, that’s just my personality. I’m like an extrovert to the nth degree.
RACHEL
And I don’t want to share.
VINNIE
We’ve noticed that. You don’t play well in the sandbox with others.
RACHEL
05:00
The popularity with the women definitely, you know, didn’t strike me in a positive way. But I liked the way you talked about his family — not his ex-wife but his kids, his three kids, the sons; talks about them a lot. And it was so obvious that you’re crazy about them, and they’re your life. And I think you even used those words.
VINNIE 05:25
Probably. I mean, sometimes they won’t agree with it. I’m sure a lot of times, but …
RACHEL
05:31
But what you also shared with me was how they were raised, how you raised them, and how, you know, with the loft in your townhome and how that was converted into a place for …
VINNIE 05:40
Man cave.
RACHEL
05:42
Yeah.
VINNIE
Man cave.
RACHEL
For boys to, you know, be social, have their friends over. And you provided a refrigerator for them. And you know, it was just very impressive how you were focused on your, on your kids. I liked that.
VINNIE 05:56
No, I mean, they were my focus. You know, I knew my boys were going to be with me. And I didn’t want them roaming around, roaming the streets, and trying to get in trouble like I did as a kid. And I set up my man cave, my loft. The only thing we didn’t have up there was a bathroom. You had to walk down a flight of steps. But I had a refrigerator. I had surround sound, they had X Box. I had four computers up there: one for me, one for each of them. And they didn’t have to leave. But it was, you know, it was like a little oasis – for me and them.
RACHEL
06:26
So I just thought that was really cool that you did that. You know, it’s selfless. And it’s loving. It’s so loving to me, that kind of parenting.
VINNIE 06:34
Well, I’d also know where they’d be. You know. they wouldn’t be roaming the streets.
RACHEL
06:37
Yeah. Protective, right. But it was a good sign to me. So yeah, after the second date, Vinnie told me he was going to have a party at his place. He was going to invite a bunch of people from pickleball and from the neighborhood. And then also this ex-girlfriend was invited to bring her dog — because you had your dog at the time. And …
VINNIE 07:00
Yeah, one of my son’s dogs, yeah. She was living with me.
RACHEL
07:05
Yeah. And I was busy in the kitchen. What’s new? I heard the doorbell ring, and I looked over to see who was coming in. And I see Vinnie bending over to kiss this woman. So that was kind of a turning point for me. You know, I, I just kind of felt like — I’ve never been one to, if there’s a friend of mine or another woman that has a somebody that she likes, I right away back away. So I didn’t want to get – I right away wanted to be friends with this woman because you know, she’s Vinnies friend. So, but that was a turning point for me thinking of Vinnie in a romantic way.
VINNIE 07:45
So I also got a kiss from the dog.
RACHEL
07:49
I missed that. I didn’t get to see that.
VINNIE 07:51
Because the dog is gonna do that before anybody comes in after, or she’s not gonna let anybody else in.
RACHEL
07:58
And after this party, we did go. And we sat at this dinner, and had a very nice dinner. I remember it was it was …
VINNIE
Oh, yeah.
RACHEL
…delicious food and great conversation. But you said at that dinner, we’re not a match. But I have somebody that I want you to meet.
VINNIE 08:13
We had a conversation that we realized we weren’t quite a good match for each other just because – it wasn’t that there was anything wrong with you, we just have different personalities. And they didn’t mesh too well. So she said, you know, I still want to be friends with you and play pickleball with you, because I was going to get her into this pickleball group I was in. And I said, that’s fine. I said actually, I’m a happy person. I want my friends to be happy. And you’re one of my friends now.
I don’t have many single male friends at this point. I mean, they’re all married or dead. I mean, well, I mean, sad but true. It just is, you know? So I said, I’ve got this guy who’s single that I would like you to meet and maybe you guys hit it off. He’s my friend, but he’s totally different from me. I mean, not in a bad way, but just we’re just different people.
RACHEL
09:06
So when I met your friend, I did like him, actually. He’s an intelligent, fun, adventurous man. And we hit it off, kind of. We went out three times pretty quickly. Now on the third time, we went out on this long drive — he’s got a really nice car — and went out on long drive. And we pulled into this parking lot, where he backed his car very carefully into the spot. And when I opened up my door, there was mud. And I realized that he wasn’t as considerate as I would like for my guy to be.
VINNIE
Just step right in the mud, darlin.’
RACHEL
Yeah. Because he spent an awful lot of time picking this spot.
VINNIE
10:00
And then you said, well, I’ve got a friend that you could meet — being the V woman.
RACHEL
Right.
VINNIE:
And as it turns out, we went to get together. So my friend sees her friend that was going to meet me. They started off on this three-hour conversation. And that was the end of that.
RACHEL
Hit it off immediately.
VINNIE
I mean, literally, he walked in late and…
RACHEL
Talk, talk, talk.
VINNIE
And boom! And that’s the end of that. I mean, they were just gone out of the whole picture that day.
RACHEL
10:23
Similar personalities, wouldn’t you say?
VINNIE
Yes, very much so.
RACHEL
They’re very much alike, those two. When I introduced them – like Vinnie said, they were immediate friends.
VINNIE 10:34
It was like, you know how the magnets go together?
RACHEL
10:37
Just started talking. And they seemed to have endless topics to talk about.
VINNIE 10:41
And they didn’t stop — we couldn’t get a word in edgewise. Well, then we went out for ice cream. There was this really nice ice cream place close by. Of course, I being the gentleman that I am, buy –
RACHEL
Treats, yeah.
VINNIE
That’s not a way to impress a woman. I mean, it was like a $3 ice cream.
RACHEL
It was obvious that he liked her.
VINNIE
I was just kind of dumbfounded. I mean, I almost apologized to her, for him.
RACHEL
11:03
It was obvious that those two were a pair.
VINNIE
Oh, yeah. I mean, they were just like going down the path right away. I mean, it was pretty obvious. And it was like oh, well. Kind of like a salesman, you gotta get used to being rejected. But it would be really nice if you know, like Rachel would say, oh, I’ve got so and so that I just met the other day or worked with, and she’d be perfect for you.
RACHEL
Mm-hmm.
VINNIE
But, you know …
RACHEL
11:27
I’m looking, Vinnie. I’m looking.
VINNIE 11:28
I appreciate it. But you know, the chances of winning the lottery or getting struck by lightning are probably better.
RACHEL
11:34
But I’m the same way, Vinnie. I think that as I spend these years as a single woman, first of all, when I got a divorce, I never dreamt I’d be single for this long. Eight years, you know?
VINNIE: 1:49
I hear you there. Hey, I’ve been …
RACHEL
Yeah, 20-something.
VINNIE
Twenty-seven.
RACHEL
11:52
So here I am single for a long time. And I’m finding that I am pretty content by myself. I’m just wanting to have some companionship.
VINNIE 12:05
Yeah, just kind of a weird thing that nobody has figured out. That’s why all these online dating sites make a lot of money.
RACHEL
12:12
Yeah. Well, not to say that I wouldn’t want to get married again. But I think that the chances are slim. And then again, you know, you think well, what does God have in store for me? You know.
VINNIE 12:26
Well, you play pickleball and meet someone who has a dating podcast.
RACHEL
12:33
There you go. Call it Dating While Gray.
LAURA STASSI
12:41
Vinnie’s friend and Rachel’s friend were hot and heavy for a few months. But there’s a complication that has nothing to do with compatibility. Their romantic relationship is now on hold. They’re still friends, just like Vinnie and Rachel are. And don’t you especially love what Vinnie says about wanting to help out his friends.
Vinnie and Rachel are also both on the dating market. Rachel told me she recently met someone online and thought there was potential — until their first date when he told her she had quote, nice breasts. C’mon now. Seriously?
You know, I get a lot of voicemails from listeners about some uncomfortable interactions — like this one.
ED
13:25
Hi, there. My name is Ed, and I’m from Colorado, I had been on Match and OKCupid. And I had several dates and, you know, even dates I didn’t follow up, on everything went very friendly and amicable — until I got on Match. And I saw this woman. I thought oh, you know, we might have something in common. So I contacted her. And, and she said, well, why don’t we talk first before we meet? And I said yeah, that’s a good idea. I might have done that a lot with other women I had met online.
And so after texting, and then I actually called her and got on the phone and all of a sudden, as we were talking, she became like very truculent and accusatory and just was asking me — being critical and saying, why aren’t you asking about me? And I said, I did ask several questions about you. And she became really so rude that finally I said, I’m sorry, but I think this conversation is over. And she said fine, and then hung up. And so I was glad I never actually got to the date. And since then, by the way, I’ve met somebody wonderful. We’ve been together three and a half years, so I’m not a rude monster. Thank you, Laura.
LAURA STASSI
14:44
Thank you, Ed, for sharing that. Sometimes it feels like we all just need to be a little kinder and gentler with each other. We’re going to hear more listener voicemails and stories about dating. That’s after the break.
BREAK
LAURA STASSI
15:12
You remember Kevin from Episode 5, “What (Some) Men Want.” He and his college sweetheart got married and raised eight kids.
15:23
KEVIN
My name is Kevin, and I’m 61 years old, kind of got put off track by getting divorced late, late in life. And I feel like that’s kind of consumed a lot of my thoughts and days. But I guess it makes sense, you know, maybe after over 30 years of marriage, then that change would cause you have to rethink things. We separated in 2017. And it was final in 2018.
Man, you just don’t imagine the time would go by as fast as it does, right. I mean, I can’t imagine. Well, first of all, I can’t imagine being single this whole time. You know what I mean? Like, I just didn’t think, yeah, how does that happen? You know, but here we are.
LAURA STASSI
16:12
Kevin told me he’s not comfortable yet with going online. But he is trying to make things happen in real life.
KEVIN
16:19
There’s this woman at work that I’ve asked out a few times now. And thankfully, or not so thankfully, she says, no, you know. And so, that’s not a bad thing. For me, it’s not a bad thing. It’s like, well, you know, I tried and if it was meant to be, she would have said yes, right?
LAURA STASSI
16:39
I’m sorry, I have to pick it this a little bit.
KEVIN
Okay, good.
LAURA STASSI
You’ve asked her out a few times.
KEVIN
Yes.
LAURA STASSI
She said no, every time.
KEVIN
Yes. Yes.
LAURA STASSI
How many times does she have to say no before you’re going to stop asking her out?
KEVIN
16:51
Oh, no, I’ve stopped. I asked her out three times. And, you know, a couple of my daughters said, yeah, Dad, you just need to stop. Which, you know, I mean, it just confirmed what I already knew. My daughters, my old, older daughters, they said, if she wants to go out with you, she’ll let you know. And that was just so freeing. Right? That really made me feel like okay, yeah, I agree.
LAURA STASSI
17:16
No, I appreciate you saying that. No, I think it is really hard. Because, and especially — and again, I don’t know this woman. But if people aren’t being direct, and it’s hard to be direct, because you don’t want to hurt someone.
KEVIN
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
LAURA
You know, if she’s saying oh, you know, maybe ask again or whatever.
KEVIN
17:30
Oh, no, no, not even that. It was just like, oh, man. The first time I asked her out, she goes, oh, that’s just so cute. That was — and I went okay, that’s interesting. So, which, I mean, it did kind of make me laugh. And she didn’t — she is super nice. Of course, I wouldn’t ask out somebody who isn’t nice. Right?
17:51
LAURA STASSI
Well, okay. Now I have to ask, What did she say the second time?
KEVIN
17:56
The second time, she said that she was doing something else. Oh, I’m going shopping with my daughter or something to that effect, right. And so it kind of gave me the feel like, okay, that was a, more of a blow off, right? And then the third time was just coffee. She’s like, oh, no, I’m not, I’m not up for coffee — or something to that effect.
LAURA
Okay, so she just needs to … she’s not interested. But she could have just said after she said, oh, that’s so cute. I mean, which is a weird response. But anyway, good for you for moving on.
KEVIN
Yeah.
LAURA
And actually, good for you for even making the attempt. Because especially somebody – yeah, it’s hard.
KEVIN
18:39
Part of it’s your fault, right? Because of the Dating While Gray podcast kind of made me think yeah, you know, it’s not like I’m, it’s not like, I can’t ask, right. I mean, it’s, it’s like, people do this, you know.
LAURA STASSI
18:55
Okay, fault is not the right word. To my credit.
KEVIN
18:58
To your credit. Agreed. I agree, to your credit. I did get off the mark and actually asked her out. And so here’s the ongoing saga with that, is, I still see her like almost — I could see her every day. But I try not to because I don’t want to be that guy. But yeah, but we still get along, we still talk, you know, we’re still friendly. And so if she ever is interested in that she’s going to have to — the balls in her court, which is which is appropriate.
LAURA STASSI
19:32
Okay, if you feel like slamming on Kevin, let’s remember, he hasn’t dated in decades. So it’s not as clear to him as it may be to us — and to his daughters — that you don’t go back a second or a third time, especially with a co-worker. And can we also recognize that even if his co-worker was initially caught off guard, she should have used her words after that, to make it clear that for whatever reason she’s not interested.
Judging from the voicemails I get, Kevin isn’t the only one whose dating journey hasn’t necessarily gone as planned.
CALLER 1
20:11
Hi, Laura. I’m a very young 70-year-old retired nurse who set up a nonprofit organization and has been able to keep busy doing that. But there is that hole in my life that is relationship. I got to the point where I just figured, I’m just born to walk alone. But I dipped my toe into the dating pool again, online dating, and I kind of call myself a serial dater. And I’ve had a lot of fun doing it. I’ve met some really great guys, and some really not so great guys, but it isn’t too hard to figure out what’s what, and weed them out. And I have a date tomorrow night for a walk in the park with our dogs. And we’ll see, but the stories I could tell you.
CALLER 2
21:02
Hello, Laura. I’m 64 years old. I was married for 20 years but have been divorced now for 24. And in those 24 years, I have been on and off many, if not all dating sites trying to meet a good match. Sometimes, for a year or more, I have stayed off the sites thinking that I will just meet someone naturally. But I’ve come to learn that I just it just doesn’t seem to happen in this day and age. I’ve lived in many different places: Ann Arbor, Michigan; Boulder, Colorado; Honolulu, Hawaii. And now I’m in the middle of nowhere in Oregon. I have kind of given up but hope springs eternal. And you know, I’ve had a date or two with one fella, and I’m hoping it might work out. You know how it is.
CALLER 3
21:57
Hi, Laura. I am a 58-year-old woman, divorced twice. I’ve been single for about five years now. I have been on every dating website that you can think of at least once, some more than once. On your show, I hear a lot about women and men talking about their dating history and experience. I’m in a different place, I guess. I can’t find a person to date. Like I can’t — I don’t get any responses on dating sites. You know, I’m yes, I’m 58. I am a little bit overweight. I’m not super, super attractive. I wonder if there’s other women out there that just don’t get any responses and want to actually have the dating experience. Let me know if you hear from other women like that. Thank you.
LAURA STASSI
23:01
Thanks to all the callers and believe me, you’re not alone. Even as there are some of us who, when it comes to dating, can report more hopeful outcomes, whether it’s by meeting people in real life or online.
KELLY
23:16
Hi, Laura. My name is Kelly. I just turned 60. I have never been married. Not that I wasn’t in love; I, several times. I think I was probably in love. But anyways, I decided I needed to pursue my dream, and I became a flight attendant. So I’ve been doing this for a year now. And I was — went down to Lima, Peru, and met this lovely man from Argentina, in the hotel, and we just kind of clicked. And he asked me for my WhatsApp, and we stayed in touch.
But I think what the amazing thing is, is that I don’t really have any expectations on this. I’m just letting it roll where it rolls. We’re going up to Iguazu Falls. I’m going to spend about 10 days there. We talk every day on WhatsApp, and he’s just super amazing. He loves to travel, like I do. We just had so much in common. And I don’t know. It’s, this is just very different going into this at this age without all the blocks of, do you want children? Do you not want children? Do they have young children? Are they just divorced? It’s a very different time.
ALLISON
24:54
My name is Alison, born and bred in the Midwest, but I’ve been in North Carolina for close to 20 years after about 20 years in Los Angeles. And I am a divorced mother of three adult children. And I run a small software company.
LAURA STASSI
25:13
Remember Allison from Episode 6, “Love and Business”? Her romantic and work partnership with her husband ended. They got divorced, and he left the company. And Allison is still CEO. This is what happened when she decided to start dating again.
ALLISON
25:29
Jeff and I met last May, met on Match.com. And I had recently expanded my search parameters because I wasn’t finding folks in my own backyard. He lives about 500 miles away. And I sent him a note. I said, love your profile, you know, if the distance is a deal breaker, just let me know. And he wrote back immediately and said, oh, no, there’s, you know, something in your eyes that tells me we should meet. And I thought that’s either gonna be the most romantic thing, or that’s going to be a real line. And I’m not sure. So he said, you know, let’s have a call. So I said, Great. So we scheduled a FaceTime for a few days down the road. And we got on the FaceTime. Two hours later, we looked at each other. We said, what do we do about this? This, something’s going on here. And he said, well, I want to meet you. And I said, well, I want to meet you too.
And he said, well, I’m taking a flyer here. He said, I have a wedding next weekend in Philadelphia. My nephew’s getting married. It’s a big formal wedding at the downtown club in Philadelphia. And I said, do you need a date? And he said, yeah, I do. And I said, I accept it.
LAURA STASSI
Oh, my goodness.
ALLISON
So a week later, our first date, I met his entire family, including his ex-wife, his children, and all his siblings. And it was just the most fabulous night. And then we saw each other – so we’re 500 miles apart. So we – I’d drive up to Pennsylvania, he’d drive down to Durham. He met me in New York when I had some business. And then our fifth date, he had purchased a trip out to Edinburgh, Scotland, for the British Open with a friend of his at an auction. And last minute, the friend couldn’t go and he said, well, why don’t you take your girlfriend? So he calls me says, do you want to go to Scotland with me? On our fifth date? And I said, let me check my calendar. Yeah, I think I’ll go.
So it’s just been this kind of crazy thing, Laura, where we feel like we’re 17 years old. And yet between us, we have a combined 12 decades of life experience, right? So it’s just like head in the clouds, feet on the ground. Life is short. Go have fun, be unapologetic. Love the people you love, right? And every day, we’re just it, we just look at you and go this is crazy that this happened. But we’re totally committed. And it’s wonderful. And it certainly makes me — I don’t want to say it feels like it’s worth it everything that I’ve gone through because that’s, that’s not the lens I want to put on it. Because if I had stayed single my whole life, I still would have said I made the right decision for me. But it’s wonderful to feel in this relationship, you know, what I believe relationships can be. And I’m extraordinarily grateful for that.
LAURA STASSI
28:00
Are you planning to continue to be long distance? You said you’re engaged.
ALLISON
28:06
No, he’s moving down here to Durham where I live. I’m getting him down here slowly but surely. He’s got some business interests up in Pennsylvania. So — but it’s fun to watch the commitment develop. And you know, we’re grown and we have our own businesses, and we have kids and all that kind of stuff. And we’re still goofy and giddy and that just crazy mad in love. So yeah, he’s getting his fanny down here. No question.
LAURA STASSI
I read something in a book once. And it was basically counseling women, because most women do initiate divorce. And it was saying, divorce not because you think there’s someone better out there for you. But divorce because whatever you have now is not good for you. It’s not the best it can be. So if you, you know, you’d be happy being single for the rest of your life. And in some ways that was kind of, I thought, oh, that’s a little bit. I don’t know, oh, he’s better than nothing kind of a thing. But I think it just does take a certain amount of bravery to leave a relationship without another one to be going to. But if you happen to find another one — I mean, that’s the most beautiful thing of all.
ALLISON
29:19
Thank you. And I think it’s the opposite of the traditional, like business advice, right — is don’t run from something, be running to something. And I think that advice does not hold in relationships, right? Because you don’t want to be running to another relationship. And then if that doesn’t pan out, then you ran away from something that maybe still had some promise. But I agree with you, that I think it’s I didn’t want to live my life — and again, this is nothing against my ex-husband. I didn’t want to live my life feeling like there’s maybe there’s something that’s a better fit for me out there.
I felt like I needed to try and I needed to, to not be in a position where I was going to be resentful or feeling like I’m kind of ignoring my own needs and stuff. Because then what kind of partner am I to him? But it is a very tough decision. Yeah. I guess just my kind of my philosophy in life is, you know, don’t be afraid to want more. You know, don’t be afraid to be selfish or to be what other people might call greedy or whatever. If you’re, if you’re acting authentically, and you feel like that can make you a better version of yourself, then lean into it. That’s certainly worked out for me so far.
LAURA STASSI
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Personally, the distance aspect would make me nervous. I’d be inclined to not even open that door. But after hearing Alison’s story, now I’m thinking, who might I be missing? Maybe widening my geographic parameters is a resolution for my dating efforts in the new year.
Oh, so great to hear from so many of you. We couldn’t fit everything into this episode. So we’ll continue the conversations next week with our final episode for 2023. We’re calling it “More Dishing on Dating.” Aren’t we clever? Check back in with us next week. In the meantime, you can get in touch to let me know about your dating efforts or resolutions. Perhaps we’ll explore in 2024. To get in touch, go to datingwhilegray.com and the top click, Contact.
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