Seriously, we all know there’s not one tried-and-true approach to dating, and I appreciate Andrea’s insights. And also, can I get a big amen for the phrase I learned from Dateable co-hosts Julie Krafchick and Yue Xu? “Do life with”: sounds like a more active and equal coming together than, say, “Let’s get married.” Yes, please!
“Dateable” authors Yue Xu (left) and Julie Krafchick.
Chatting with “2nd Acts” author Andrea McGinty.
Transcript
This is Dating While Gray: The Grown-Up’s Guide to Love, Sex, and Relationships. I’m Laura Stassi. Recently, I’ve had a slew of love-related books come across my desk, including two that I find particularly intriguing. I’m talking with the authors in today’s episode, “Another Dating Point of View.”
Let’s get right to it.
YUE XU
I’m Yue Xu.
JULIE KRAFCHICK
And I’m Julie Krafchick.
YUE XU
And we’re the co-hosts of the Dateable podcast and co-authors of the book “How to Be Dateable.”
LAURA STASSI
May I ask how old each of you is?
YUE XU
Yeah, I’m 44.
JULIE KRAFCHICK
And I’m 41.
LAURA STASSI
So I was coming at dating basically for the first time at age 55, and I didn’t have much experience with the first place, so I thought it was really hard. But after reading your book, I think now that it wasn’t necessarily my age that makes dating hard. Is dating hard?
JULIE KRAFCHICK
Yes. I think everyone tends to go to their own circumstance of why dating is hard, but universally, there’s stats that dating is harder than ever before. Pew Research has come out with studies around how in the last 10 years, dating has never been this difficult and 50 percent of people are giving up or feeling like it’s not worth dating or even pursuing a romantic relationship.
YUE XU
I’m actually curious to hear from you, Laura. Why did you find dating hard? What was the hard part for you?
LAURA STASSI
What I feel like now is, I think it was hard because I was basically thinking, okay, you find someone, you’re attracted to them, you fall in love and you get married. The end. I was basically thinking at the time, which I didn’t realize at the time, I’m going to just replicate what I had before.
YUE XU Uh-huh.
LAURA STASSI
It worked before. Why doesn’t it work again? However, how many of us — of my generation anyway — really thought about that person that we married in the first place? You developed a crush in high school or college or at the workplace and it was like, yeah, it seemed like the natural thing to do. You got married. But now it does feel like there are more options and okay, I’m not the one supposed to be talking. You all are supposed to be the one talking.
JULIE KRAFCHICK
You actually narrowed in on a big piece of it is, we feel like there’s this expectation of love on demand, which is what you described, that you just meet someone and boom, you’re in love and you find you’re happily ever after. And for people that go on a date and don’t see that spark immediately, it can feel jarring and it’s not the right person. And a lot of the way our culture, dating culture, and a lot of this has been ingrained for years. This isn’t all based on modern dating. Some of it’s amplified with technology and the way dating works today, but a lot of this stems from a lot of deep-rooted pieces of the way our society told us that love worked. And a lot of that’s trapping us. It’s getting in our way of our expectations or out of line with what reality is.
LAURA STASSI I often tell my daughter who’s 30, I said, it’s not that I’m smarter than you, I just have perspective from living a longer life and so I can be more reflective. And so I would say the same thing when you’re in your forties, you definitely have more perspective than you had when you were in your twenties and even your thirties.
JULIE KRAFCHICK
Absolutely.
LAURA STASSI
Think about, I guess, your evolution of the love search. Do people actually want the same things generally that we used to want? I mean, do we want to find the one, fall in love, get married and live happily ever after?
YUE XU
I think this is actually related to your previous question, why is dating so hard right now? It’s because we’re trying to find what is it that we want and we find even in our book is we have a whole chapter about gaining clarity because most people don’t actually know what they want. And if you speak to anybody who’s on their second time around, maybe divorce or their spouse had passed away, you ask them what they’re looking for this time around, they’re like, you know what? The first time I felt like I did it for someone else, and this time I’m doing it for myself and I need to figure out what that is.
JULIE KRAFCHICK
And even the people that say, I want a relationship, I want a partner, I want the happily ever after in marriage, we also encourage you to say, what is it that you actually want in more present terms? How do we get more clear of what that relationship looks like and partner to you? Because just the generic future, it’s hard to really zone in when you meet someone and you’re in a relationship to know if it’s right for you that way. So actually removing that, we call it our dating North Star, and the idea is that you combine in our book, we walk people through how to do this, but you combine your dating why? Like, why am I dating right now? And try to get those words out of your vocabulary to even describe it and then what are your core needs in a relationship? And then when you combine that, it can make it a lot more evident when you meet someone great.
YUE XU
Yeah, I think just gaining that clarity is the biggest piece of information people can have and what we found when going through this exercise with most people is, the bottom line is everyone’s still looking for connection. Maybe it’s not a relationship, maybe it’s not marriage, maybe it’s not something long-term. But most people want to date because they still want to have this very human experience of connecting with someone else.
LAURA STASSI
Yes.
JULIE KRAFCHICK: I’m a big proponent of dating apps. I met my fiancé on a dating app. I’m here to say they work, but at the same time, the expectation that each person is going to be like your forever person when you show up, we hear of daters that we interact with that are looking at their profiles and saying, is this someone I could see myself with?
The reality is you’re never going to know until you meet them and even then on the first date, you’re never going to know. It’s more about how do we change our mentality to just doing a meet and greet and meeting someone and seeing where it could go. It just alleviates a pressure that’s really just wearing at our mental health and not making dating enjoyable in the slightest.
LAURA STASSI
Yeah. So speaking of dating apps or online dating, of course we all know it’s potentially expanded our pool of partners, but some might say it’s not necessarily progress if those connections aren’t authentic ones.
YUE XU
Authentic connections can happen anywhere and we truly feel like dating apps are there to facilitate the expansion of your network. That is it. If you walked into a bar and you told the bartender, please introduce me to every single person that walks in here that lives within this five-mile radius, would you get mad at the bartender at the end of the night if you didn’t find the love of your life? No. You’d probably thank your bartender for introducing me to everybody that came in. Dating apps facilitate exact same thing. They do not guarantee authentic connections, but they’re there to introduce you, so you increase your chances of having a connection with someone.
LAURA STASSI
Right. Okay. Now I just have to say, we might get mad if we paid that bartender to find us a connection.
YUE XU
Well, here’s the thing. The bartender won’t take your money for that. They’ll take your money for the drinks though because their goal is to get you to stay at the bar for as long as possible. That’s what dating apps do. They want you to stay on the dating apps, so let’s just follow the money here. The bartender’s not like, I don’t want you to make any connections. I just want you to have a good time and I want to keep you feeding you drinks,
JULIE KRAFCHICK
But they’re also giving you the environment too, on maybe a more positive note of what they’re providing. Right. At the end of the day, I think it’s just again, our expectation of love on demand, that we’re just expecting that this data gap is going to serve us up this perfect partner on a silver platter, and we see this all the time, people getting frustrated when they’re not getting matched with good people, quote-unquote — good people to them. It’s like the dating app thinks I’m unattractive, and it’s like we’re putting way too much power on the dating app. It’s just again, a way to meet more people.
LAURA STASSI
Yeah.
YUE XU
I actually think The Bachelor does a very good job at helping people believe in love again, because I truly believe these people do fall in love. Why? Because falling in love is the easy part. If your assignment, OK, if your assignment is to go on tv, you have one option and your assignment is to fall in love with this person. Yeah, you’re going to find all the qualities about this person that makes them lovable, and you’re most likely going to fall in love with them because you don’t have finances to talk about, your family, your jobs, anything else that’s real world. So of course you’re going to fall in love.
But I think what we’re seeing from The Bachelor, I hope people understand this, falling in love is easy, staying in love is not easy. That’s a choice. And finding someone to do life with you is a much more meaningful way of looking at a partner than just being like, oh, we’re in love.
LAURA STASSI
Yeah, I love that expression. Do life with, I really like that. Did you make that up, Yue?
YUE XU
No. I wish we could take credit, but we’ve heard it elsewhere.
LAURA STASSI
I’m going to steal it, sorry.
JULIE KRAFCHICK. I think though there is a toxic element to The Bachelor though of the dating process. It’s actually ties to what we call the validation trap, is that it almost doesn’t matter if you’ve even like this person, but you’re so caught up in your own self-worth and moving on and getting that next date. And if the person doesn’t want the next date, what does this mean about me? And I feel like that does, even though we know The Bachelor is fantasy, it does trickle in a little into our dating lives of feeling like I’m a loser if I don’t get the next date. And it’s like, who are you losing against? Ultimately you just want someone that’s right for you, and we really have to remove ourselves from this way of thinking that has been so ingrained in dating culture.
LAURA STASSI
Yeah, I like to say that The Bachelor focuses so much on the process, which they call a journey, but it ends right there, which we all know, it’s sort of like focusing so much on the wedding that you lose sight of, oh, there’s a marriage that follows. And so yeah. But Yue, I think it’s beautiful that you think they actually fall in love.
JULIE KRAFCHICK
The funny part is she’s not even the dreamer of the two of us, and I have a much more cynical take on the Bachelor.
LAURA STASSI In some ways, I wonder if it’s okay as long as you make your intentions clear, instead of thinking as dating as a means to an end, and that end is finding a romantic partner, isn’t it okay to think of dating as simply another activity? Like, I play pickleball. I jog, I like to read, and I like to date.
JULIE KRAFCHICK
Oh, that’s interesting. I’m mixed on this on some ways I see what you’re saying. But then the reality is there’s another human involved in it. It’s a little different than going to the pickleball court. I don’t know. I think yes, if you make your intentions clear, but I don’t know how I would feel personally if someone’s just like it’s an activity for me. But again, it gives you into that future part, like what is this person ultimately here looking for? But if you ultimately do want a connection with them, maybe it’s phrasing it in a way of, I do enjoy meeting new people. What is it? The benefits of the activity, but not make it feel like they’re kind of like a slot for you.
YUE XU
Yeah, I’m kind of in the same boat, Julie, actually. Well, I’m just thinking about this video I saw today, which is funny, very related to this. This girl posted a montage of all her activities and hobbies in 2024 and said the dating scene was so hard, I just picked up a bunch of hobbies. And I thought there’s no opposite of that. No one’s like hobbies are so hard, I just went on a bunch of dates — because dating is kind of this reciprocal experience. Hobbies, there’s no feedback. You can go play pickleball and if you don’t like it, you can leave and nobody gets their feelings hurt. But dating, there are feelings involved. So it is not the easier thing. It’s not an activity you can just do without consequences.
LAURA STASSI
So I would like to know if you have a tip or two that would particularly resonate with daters 50 and older.
YUE XU
I think the one that we’ve been talking about a lot recently is scare them away. Don’t be afraid to scare away the wrong people.
LAURA STASSI
Okay.
YUE XU
Scare. Yeah, scare them away. No walking on eggshells.
LAURA STASSI
Shoo!
YUE XU
Yes, because we hear this from people who are dating again, coming out of long-term marriages and relationships. They’re like, what are the new rules in dating? Can I say this? Can I still discuss politics on a first date? Do I still wait a few weeks ahead to be intimate? And we’re just kind of like, there are really no rules in dating. The right person is going to appear for you in the right way. So if you’re doing something that scares someone away, it’s probably not the right person.
LAURA STASSI
Hmm.
JULIE KRAFCHICK:
To piggyback off of that too, is you actually don’t need to be good at dating. And this should help people because I think we hear a lot from people that are 50 plus that are like, I have this relationship experience, but I’ve never dated before. I don’t know how to date. I don’t know how to do it the way that I’m supposed to. And like Yue was saying there, it’s all these unspoken or even spoken rules of wait three days or text back at this timeline.
And it’s overwhelming and confusing. But the reality is that actually only brings us towards disconnection anyways. The people that really thrive in dating are the people that have thrown that all out the window. They’re playing by their own rules. They’re just ultimately being authentic and doing what they want and dating their way. And I hope that’s a sigh of relief to people that are newer to dating, that you actually don’t need to learn all this. And the relational skills that you have learned in your past relationships or even marriages, of course, ones that didn’t serve you, you don’t need to bring those forward. But a lot of the ones that did, like that could actually be a great asset for you of how to relate to others and actually connect.
LAURA STASSI
Yeah, I’m thinking about when I first started dating, someone gave me the advice, go on as many dates as you want or as you can, because it’s all practice.
YUE XU
Wow. That’s —
JULIE KRAFCHICK
Because the question is, do you want to get good at dating or do you want to find a relationship? And maybe if you’re the person that wants to just date, then that actually is serving you, right? But if you’re ultimately looking for something that’s a little more connection oriented in a relationship, whether it’s your forever person again, or even just your go-to person that you do things with, I think throwing out some of those myths and rules, and we hate dating is a numbers game where we actually say it’s not. So yeah, again, that’s really our book — is unraveling a lot of the stuff that we’ve been told.
LAURA STASSI
Yeah. I remember my daughter and I, she lived with me for a short period of time, and we were both on the apps, different ones, but I remember she told me, oh, you’re using way too many words. I’m like, I supposed to be. She goes, if you’re looking just to meet someone, just focus more on the pictures and less on the word. I’m like, okay, this goes against everything I have been taught, but it saved me some time anyway, because you sort of split over some of those words. Right.
JULIE KRAFCHICK
Well, there is, I think another piece of the app dynamic. I understand why people are so discouraged if you’re sending all these messages and crafting the perfect opening line and then people aren’t even replying to you. Of course that could be discouraging.
We do think there’s a balance of being your authentic self, but also recognizing the medium that you’re at. So we like to say, look at it as you’re just inviting someone to a house party. Spend no more than 30 seconds. We love this 30-second rule of — we’re not ones for rules, but for this one we’re like, keep 30 seconds. Don’t overthink the profile. Don’t overthink the text you’re going to send. And then you’ll even see if the person replies. And then the relationship can start.
LAURA STASSI
That’s Yue Xu and Julie Krafchick, co-hosts of the Dateable podcast. And now, co-authors of “How to Be Dateable.” You heard Julie say she’s getting married. Yue is also in a serious relationship. We here at Dating While Gray call it boomerang love. Yue referred to it as revisiting an old connection.
Next, we’ll hear from a romance entrepreneur, dating coach, and author whose dating point of view is a bit more seasoned. But first, when we think about older people living together, The Golden Girls are top of mind. But twenty years before that TV show was The Odd Couple. The play-turned-film-turned-TV sitcom featured two divorced men sharing a New York City apartment, and it was based on a real-life situation.
I’m working on another Dating While Gray radio special, and I want to talk to men 50 or older who are living with other men non-romantically. It could be a house share, or one’s renting space from another, maybe even a crashing on the couch situation. If this is you, or someone you know, please email laura@datingwhilegray.com. And thanks.
Now, back to the show.
ANDREA MCGINTY
I’m Andrea McGinty, and I’m the founder of 33,000 Dates and It’s Just Lunch and I just had a new book come out called “Second Acts: Winning Strategies for Dating Over 50.”
LAURA STASSI I’ve gotten a lot of books, a lot of really good books. Your book is probably the thickest how-to book. So you really want to educate people on dating. So I, I appreciate that because there’s, you know, charts and there’s QR codes, there’s all kinds of things.
ANDREA MCGINTY
Well, when I was in my 20s and now we’re talking the 1990s, right? And there’s no Google, there’s no online dating and you know, I’m happy in Chicago, living the good life and I’m getting married and a couple of weeks before the wedding, my fiancé called it off and all of a sudden I was single and all my friends were getting married, you know that 20 something syndrome. So, so fast forward. After some friends had fixed me up on dates, I thought to myself, there’s got to be a better way to do this whole thing.
And at the time, I had a couple of recruiters that had called me professionally. And I thought, geez, it would be so nice if there was somebody that was like an executive recruiter for your love life, right? Where you just went on dates for lunch or for a drink after work. And that’s how I came up with the whole idea for It’s Just Lunch. And it started in Chicago in 1990. And we ended up with 110 locations worldwide by the time I sold it about 10 years ago.
LAURA STASSI
So you were single when you founded It’s Just Lunch.
ANDREA MCGINTY
Yes, I was. Well, it’s kind of funny story. I met my husband through It’s Just Lunch, and we had a very firm policy that no, you cannot meet people that are clients if you work at It’s Just Lunch. He went out with a woman and I kind of knew something was going on because both the men and the women would call us after each date with feedback . And this woman said to me, you know, Andrea, he’s really nice guy, but he kept talking about you on the date. I’m like, boy. So he calls me with his feedback, he asked me out and I said, no I don’t date clients. And by the way, please stop talking about me on the date because I have a really great next date for you. And you know, it’s a real turn off, obviously.
After the second date, he calls me with feedback and he said, listen, I read about you. I wanted to meet you. And that’s why I came into It’s Just Lunch. I’m messengering over my contract, which is voided. I don’t want a refund, but I want to go out with you, because I’m no longer a client. I said, hmm, he is pretty cute. okay. You know, I’m not doing anything wrong. And yeah, so it lasted, you know, we had a good run, 24 years.
It was bittersweet, but it was also, it was not acrimonious. It was very friendly. And to this day, we are still really good friends, and he lives 10 miles away from me, you know, so we’re still, you know, we’ll still get together for coffee now and then. And we talk about business. But I guess the point was, I wasn’t really ready to date, myself, after the divorce. I just felt like I wanted some time. I was working on 33,000 Dates. I started to work a little bit on the book, and I was just thinking, I’m living vicariously through my clients. They’re dating.
LAURA STASSI
Yeah.
ANDREA McGINTY
And I kind of forgot about myself. Plus I’m thinking I’ve still got a teenager at home who really doesn’t need her mom to see a bunch of men coming around and stuff like that. And so anyway, my daughter, she’s growing up, I guess she was about 14, 15. And I decided, okay, I just decided one morning, I’m ready. And it’s kind of like when I talk about my book. All of a sudden you’re ready to date. There’s no reason for it, but you just know you want a date.
And so I jumped in. The mistake I made though, the first week, and by the way, I will say this. Online, I also knew it was really important that you don’t just go online and sit around looking pretty. You go online and you’re, know, it’s a 50-50 deal online. You want to reach out to men that you’re interested in. And the first week, I went on five first dates, and I reached out to every single one of the men. And by the way, all of them, I think one I did drinks and the other four, II did lunch dates. I’m not big on that coffee thing, because I don’t know, coffee feels like a little bit of a cop out to me. Like, oh, you can’t invest an hour. You know, after 20 minutes, you could run from coffee. And I figured, hey —
LAURA STASSI
That’s why I like it.
ANDREA MCGINTY
Oh, that’s why you like it. Oh,
LAURA STASSI
No, and it wouldn’t be 20 minutes but it would be, I’ve got an hour let me meet you for coffee.
ANDREA MCGINTY Now, where I could get into the coffee thing is if you’re picking somewhere that’s not a Starbucks, that’s more of a local place, or I have some people that they’re like, let’s grab coffee, especially if you live in a city, let’s grab coffee and go for a walk. Because then you’re doing something too. So I like that a lot. But my male clients, again, 50 percent of my clients, they like drinks — to have a drink after work or a drink on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon at 4. Because then it doesn’t mean you have to have dinner, it’s gonna turn into something else, you could have plans after that. And a first date’s really nothing more than a chance, it’s information gathering. Do I want to go on a second date? What do I think of this person? I’m a big proponent of online dating done right, though, done with the right strategy.
LAURA STASSI
A lot of my listeners, they’re online daters whether they’re using the apps or the you know platforms but they still are adhering to somebody has to reach out to me and then if I had a good time I have to wait a certain amount of time before I text them back. They’re waiting around for men to be the deciders.
ANDREA MCGINTY
Okay, so that’s the biggest complaint I get from my male clients, is just what you said. They want the woman to reach out. You know, if they picked up the check on a first date, let’s say it was lunch and you both had a good time. If it was lunch, I would expect by 7 or 8 o’clock that night that me as a woman would be texting him saying, thank you for a lovely lunch and then making some comments about what we talked about and I’d love to do it again. What do you think about, you know, Thursday or Friday? The worst thing is the women just sitting there and waiting when you know you had a good time.
LAURA STASSI
It sounds like we’re all looking for authentic connections.
ANDREA MCGINTY
Absolutely authentic connections. And it really doesn’t matter how you’re connecting. So, you know, you have to get over that mindset of, want it to be organic. Clients say that to me. I’m like, what are you talking about organic? That’s like a blueberry, for blueberries, know, what’s organic? And they’re like, you know, like I meet a pickleball, I meet her, you know, at the grocery store. I’m like, you know, yeah, there’s a chance.
But kind of just get over that. You’ve got to get out there. You’ve got to be promoting yourself, and you’ve got to be your own influencer. And for the most part, this age group is on Facebook and Instagram. So you already have some practice being a promoter slash influencer. So all this is, this is an extension of your brand to online dating.
LAURA STASSI
Is there anything from our younger dating days that we should still pay attention to as far as having validity in today’s dating atmosphere?
ANDREA MCGINTY
Oh, of course. mean, manners never, ever get old. know, positive attitude, not talking about negative things on the date, not talking about ex-wives and, you know, an acrimonious divorce. Those types of things still hold. It’s not a free for all in terms of, you know, dialogue on a date.
It’s not appropriate behavior on a first date to be talking about negative things or you’re estranged from your children or your ex-wife got most of your assets. Just like it’s not appropriate for the woman to ask, you know, how long have you been divorced or what are you thinking? Are you looking for a long-term relationship? Is that what you’re looking for?
I’m like, my gosh, did you really ask him that? And she’s like, yes, I think I have a right to know. I’m like, no, no, no. You just come across as not being very gracious and not having good manners
LAURA STASSI
So let me push back just a little bit. Is it the way she asked the question? Would it have been perfectly okay to say, so what are you looking for?
ANDREA MCGINTY
I don’t know why, why, why do you need to know that on the first date? Why? You’re meeting somebody, it’s information gathering. What are you looking for? They already looked at you online, so they’re looking somewhat for you. So we already know that. So no, it’s not appropriate to ask that question. I always go back to, a first date is kind of like you’re at a cocktail party and you’re making, that kind of conversation where you’re to know somebody. You’re not going to say, are you divorced, single, widowed, you know, and what happened? You’re never going to ask that question. Those kind of conversations, they stay out of it. Now, will family come up? Of course. You know, somebody will say, you know, I’m going skiing with my two kids next weekend. how old are your kids? That’s normal. That’s a polite conversation. And if somebody does start ranting about something, and I don’t care if they’re ranting about politics or they’re ranting about their ex, big red flag. I would just say goodbye in my mind. Be polite, get out of there as quickly as possible, say thank you if they paid, and just get out.
LAURA STASSI
Okay, so if you could give us like one, maybe two top tips for dating in your 50s and 60s and beyond, what would they be?
ANDREA MCGINTY
Okay, number one would be online dating. You must have fantastic photos online. And that does not mean fake photos. That does not mean photos from 10 years ago. That means very good, recent photos of yourself. And 70 percent of my clients and probably 80 percent of my male clients, because they never get their picture taken, use professional photographer for like a two-hour shoot.
And these are not LinkedIn photos. They’re not posed photos. I have one client I’m talking to later today, he did his photos — one on the golf course, one playing tennis one. He’s a real estate developer so he was out in a new building and he had a hard head on, it was really cute and he was holding, you know, something in his hand and you know, he’s showing what he does.
So a picture paints a thousand words, and you want really great photos. And that doesn’t mean you can’t throw in a couple of your iPhone photos, too, from Christmas or Hanukkah or Thanksgiving or whatever. Those can go in, too, but have very high-quality photos.
And then number two, I would say, is your attitude. I really want you going into the date with no expectations. I don’t want high expectations. I don’t want low expectations. I just want no expectations because then you most likely will be pleasantly surprised.
Give you a quick example. I have a 59-year-old client, doctor, really like him. We found this woman together and for some reason or another, she’s traveling so they can’t go out on a date for two weeks. So I spoke to him right before the date and he goes, oh, I know she’s the one for me, Andrea. I’ve told my friends about her, I told my kids about her.
And I’m like, James, we’ve got to take these expectations way, way, way down. He’s like, what do you mean? You know, I’m really excited. I go, punch it down, punch it down — because you don’t even know her yet, right? And the same thing holds true for women too. Sometimes, you know, they’re calling their girlfriends before they’ve even gone on the date. Like, I found the perfect one. So, you know, if you go in with high expectations, you’re going to be disappointed because rarely can somebody live up to that. Going in with low expectations on the other hand is a little bit negative. So I want you to just go in with no expectations. Like, I wanted to meet a new person for a drink or I had to eat lunch anyway — that type of attitude.
LAURA STASSI
Thanks to Andrea McGinty. Her book is “Second Acts: Winning Strategies for Dating Over 50.” By the way, Andrea’s a newlywed. Last September, she remarried. She met her new husband through online dating. Andrea says she reached out to him first – and it was not for coffee.
Okay, am I the only one who actually prefers meeting a new person for coffee instead of for Happy Hour? What are your go-to strategies? I’d love hearing all about it. Meanwhile, this is the last new episode for a while. We’re taking a break to work on the special.
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